Thursday, July 07, 2005

Thoughts on Yellow Cake Documents

All this plame stuff and we are still not talking about the yellow cake documents. What's up with that?


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42 Comments:

Anonymous David said...

Billmon reminds us that there were really two sets of documents--

http://billmon.org/archives/001971.html

7/07/2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Ledeen seems go be the most likely suspect on the Yellow Cake papers..doesn't he?

And on another note Faux (Fox) News reports that a right wing group is on their way to Iraq to confirm that.."We have Won in Iraq!"...and report the "good news"...LOL

And it is sooo interesting that the head ringleader of this trip is Col Robert "Buzz" Patterson..a board member of JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security)..althought the article of course doesn't mention this..but you can find his info under Board of Advisors at www.jinsa.org.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161463,00.html

7/07/2005 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

I guess everyone with a brain is wondering who and why in the London bombing. Makes no sense does it? Unless you assume that ALQ wants to irritate the world some more even though they appear to winning the terrier war themselves.
This article is from Stratfor so you can wonder some more...it is so trite to wonder if this is another Israeli false flag but ..gee whiz...when Stratfor raises the questions you have to wonder...and for the troll on here, Stratfor is a well respected intelligence service, like Janes Intelligence that reports mainly to global business clients and has no anti-zionist intent...so take this for disinterested reporting...

I have no idea if Israel is involved but let's assume Israel passed on the attack info to Btitian and no one did anything becuase the previous info they had passed on didn't pan out...and then "someone" conviently notified the Isralei embassy "just before" the attack....well you can take it from there...


Stratfor Consulting Intelligence Agency

July 7, 2005

Israel Warned United Kingdom About Possible Attacks
Summary

There has been massive confusion over a denial made by the Israelis that the Scotland Yard had warned the Israeli Embassy in London of possible terrorist attacks “minutes before” the first bomb went off July 7. Israel warned London of the attacks a “couple of days ago,” but British authorities failed to respond accordingly to deter the attacks, according to an unconfirmed rumor circulating in intelligence circles. While Israel is keeping quiet for the time-being, British Prime Minister Tony Blair soon will be facing the heat for his failure to take action.

Analysis

The Associated Press reported July 7 that an anonymous source in the Israeli Foreign Ministry said Scotland Yard had warned the Israeli Embassy in London of possible terrorist attacks in the U.K. capital. The information reportedly was passed to the embassy minutes before the first bomb struck at 0851 London time. The Israeli Embassy promptly ordered Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to remain in his hotel on the morning of July 7. Netanyahu was scheduled to participate in an Israeli Investment Forum Conference at the Grand Eastern Hotel, located next to the Liverpool Street Tube station -- the first target in the series of bombings that hit London on July 7.

Several hours later, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom officially denied reports that Scotland Yard passed any information to Israel regarding the bombings, and British police denied they had any advanced warning of the attacks. The British authorities similarly denied that any information exchange had occurred.

Contrary to original claims that Israel was warned “minutes before” the first attack, unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles indicate that the Israeli government actually warned London of the attacks “a couple of days” previous. Israel has apparently given other warnings about possible attacks that turned out to be aborted operations. The British government did not want to disrupt the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, or call off visits by foreign dignitaries to London, hoping this would be another false alarm.

The British government sat on this information for days and failed to respond. Though the Israeli government is playing along publicly, it may not stay quiet for long. This is sure to apply pressure on Blair very soon for his failure to deter this major terrorist attack.
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7/07/2005 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

r, you're slipping, it took you almost all day to suggest Israel may have played a role in the London bombings.

The "warning" came after the first blast. Netenyahu was on his way to a conference, and was told to stay put.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Israel%20Britain%20Explosions

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-07-israel-londonblasts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

Maybe AP screwed up an initial report. But more likely, this is another game of "Israeli telephone" where an innocuous fact is twisted by people with an agenda.

7/07/2005 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an useful bood (Amazon.com). Apropos of the times.

Gideon's Spies : The Secret History of the Mossad

http://tinyurl.com/bs2x3

Here's an oldie but goodie rundown of the neocon cabal. You know, the Israel First nest of warmongers which has Bush by the balls? Now pushing for action against Iran and Syria, dire dire threats to downtown Cleveland? As opposed against, say, Osama bin Conveniently Forgotten by the "American" media?

http://tinyurl.com/3g78b

And of course, who can forget this gem from Julian Borger at the Guardian.

The spies who pushed for war

Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force.

http://tinyurl.com/h7bp

Busy beavers.

That's all for now. Lots in the old cellar. Oh, and before I forget, since Judith (Fucking Liar) Miller is now an official jailbird. From Yediot Aharonot. Iinnttttteeeeresting.

http://tinyurl.com/2pwbt

Rothschild and Chalabi met in the sumptuous office of the Iraqi exile in western London and spoke for long hours about the future of the region. Rothschild remembers that he wrote a classified report. The information on the Israeli MIAs and POWs, which Chalabi promised through his contacts in Teheran, never materialized, neither in Rothschild's next two meetings with Chalabi.

This did not prevent Israeli security officials from recommending Chalabi to the American administration and connecting him to senior advisers in the White House, the Pentagon and the CIA. As a result of the recommendations, James Woolsley, the former CIS director, gave him his patronage.

In one of his visits to Israel, Chalabi was hosted in the office of the defense minister at the time, Yitzhak Mordechai. Chalabi, it turned out, had come to ask for Israeli aid in Congress in Washington, to persuade the administration of President Clinton to fund activity of the exiles' National Congress, to train hundreds of volunteers in army bases, prior to a strike to topple the Saddam regime. At the end of these efforts, with the help of his Israeli friends and the Jewish lobby in Washington, Chalabi managed to get USD four million. In Washington he met with then minister Natan Sharansky, former prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu, and impressed them with his plans for molding Iraq into a democratic country . . .

Like I said, busy beavers, with a looooooong history. Later.

7/07/2005 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mossad recruits Palestinians into a phony Al Qaeda cell in Gaza.

Really? Wow. I didn't know this. The gory details.

http://tinyurl.com/6tbsz

7/07/2005 06:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Jews Knew, Part Duex"

Good debunking of the "Netanyahu was warned" crap.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/archives/005728.html

7/08/2005 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the question of whether Netanyahu was warned before or after--

"After the first explosion an order was given that no one move until things become clear."

This doesn't make sense to me, because the first explosions were attributed to power surges. It was only later that they realized they were bombs.

(And btw, a denial by the Israeli government doesn't constitute a "debunking". I'm still keeping my eyes open on this one.)

7/08/2005 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, you keep your eye on that one. And tell us if you see any UFOs being flown by Jinn's while you're at it.

7/08/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Good summary on what's known about this at antiwar.com--

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2205

(Strictly for "anti-Semites", of course!)

7/08/2005 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous r said...

"Anonymous said...
r, you're slipping, it took you almost all day to suggest Israel may have played a role in the London bombings."

Helloooo anonymous...I don't think "I" suggested that...I just find it so something or other that any time there is a bombing there is always a "confusion" in reporting from and about the Israeli camp.

What I do think is:

Obviously some people and some in the press think of Israel in relation to bombings of this type because of their well known history of such things, as in King David Hotel and etc...so it is natural to wonder..especially considering Isr's position in the current terrier war.

And

Everytime Isr is in the equation there are always "conflicting" reports with "corrections" in the press over exactly what happened.

However I don't have an opinion as to who did the London bombings..it could have been AL-Q or a wild card group or any other number of players in the terror game. I don't rule out anyone because some in this mix are capable of doing anything...under the name of the "greater good."

Maybe is was AL-Q keeping their threat to Btitian, maybe is was a radical Muslim element in London, maybe it was a radical zionist element in London unhappy with the UK's insistance on Israel's disengagement..hell there are so many reasons for unhinged zealots to do these things who can guess?

But as we get deeper and deeper into this mess it is clear that:

The US is seeing less and less reason to continue on the road to ME Empire.
The UK is seeing less and less reason to support US Empire in the ME.

So what did the London bombing contribute pro or con to continuing the terrier war? Or was it just a celebration act by ALQ to show they could?

I don't know...people can only speculate about who benefits from this type of terrorist act.

7/08/2005 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Now Anonymous...go back and read the Stratfor report.

You will see that Stratfor is saying..(all on anonymous sources)...is that Israel says it was not warned about the attack...that someone in Israel circles says it was warned about the attack...that someone says Israel warned UK weeks ago about the attack...that someone says the UK was never warned about any attacks...and the final wrapup is Tony Blair has hell to pay for ignoring these warnings..all clear as swamp mud as usual.

7/08/2005 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

And now anonymous...for the arguement you are looking for..or maybe not?

And most of all back to the original point of this blog...Israeli influence or attempts to influence other goverments for Israel's benefit.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Zionist camp is just as capable as the radical Muslim camp of bombing innocent people if it furthers their agenda. They really do suffer from a collective delusion that the entire world is about them and therefore anything is permissible in their ultimate goal.

Please read the JP's Caroline Glick as a prime example of this delusion.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1120702712342

The headline says we are all Londoners now...but the three page article goes on to say that now Londoners know how "Israelis feel". And continues to list and condemn every single slight Britian has shown Israel and every single time some Muslim leader has been invited to London and every single thing Britian has done to harm Israeli interest and that Britian has tried to interfer with Israel's relationship with the US to turn them against Israel...and on and on and on..and basically how Londoners got their comeuppance for allowing Muslims to live in the UK and being so evenhanded and promoting a Palestine state and not hating the Muslims and destroying every single one of them.

Get the picture?..so some "Israeli sects and operators" have as much reason to shake up Britian as ALQ does.

It really is a nasty article and so typical of the extreme Zionist who were so interested in starting WWIII in the Mid East. And while we all know that this is not representive of all the Israelis, it is representive of the Israelis who are influencing the US policy and trying to influence other countries to wage war on their enemy.

And making Israel's enemies everyone elses and every other country's enemy is their main tool for survival.

So I keep on open mind in the so called fog of war.

7/08/2005 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

Amen :)

(BTW, that Caroline Glick piece is indeed a nasty piece of work!)

7/08/2005 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I don't care for Caroline Glick, but her journalism is not at all typical of Israeli opinion. Sharon actually demanded that his ministers not draw any comparisons to what happened in London to what Israelis have, tragically, experienced all too often (though not so much in the past year, whu do you think that is, dear?), because he did not want to opportunisticly exploit this tragedy (he may have just wanted Netenyahu to shut up as well).

Caroline Glick is a nasty, snarky bitch. Justin Raimondo is a nasty, snarky bitch as well.

R, if you are dead set on suspecting Israelis when there is not a shred of evidence, but merely because Caroline Glick writes an article you don't like, you are free to do so. You are also free to sit at home all day hysterically calling your Congressman demanding a 14th investigation into the USS Liberty. Or you are free to enter into extended discussions on the Talmud when your source is some Israel Shahak article you found on the web. Or you are free to talk about Jinn travelling via UFO. The 1st amendment really does rock, both for serious political debate and for mere entertainment value.

But there's a reason no one in the U.S. takes you seriously. It's not because "Zionists" control the government or anything of the sort. It's because in the marketplace of ideas, you are an abject failure. But hey, Brian wants to hook up with you and be co-moderator. Aren't you proud?

7/08/2005 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Well, anonymous..as Regean said..."there you go again".

And after I just got through saying I had no opinion on who did the London bombing.

But I think Carolina Glick is very representative of the extreme zionist, so much so that she is now in the US serving on one of their "think tanks." In fact most opinion pieces I see by zionist are way over the top...including many writers who blame the US for everything from letting the Jews die in Germany to not doing enough for Israel and demanding the US invade more Arab countries in the name of the terrier war and "enforcing" democracy.

And actually I have never called my congressman demanding another investigation into the USS Liberty but that maybe does does need to be looked into again, at least according to the US sailors who were on the ship.

I do call both senators and congressmen, my own and others, and say I do not support providing aid to Israel as long they occupy Palestine and I do as a matter of fact flat out tell them I question their ability to uphold the interest of the US and Israel at the same time. And as a matter of fact when I got my usual monthy fund raising call from the DNC and another from the Dean group asking me to buy Democratic bonds this week I told both them to get it from AIPAC since that is who they represent. Yep, democracy is great and I am using it every way possible to make my views known.

And I have never been in a discussion on the Talmud or any other religious tome because I don't regard the religious angle as anything that can be discussed with logic.

But my opinions seem to worry you and instead of responding with facts or arguements or debate about the specific topic you go all bananas and try to insult people with nonsense...... why is that?

You know, besides myself and others responding on this blog, a number of people take the Israeli influence danger to the US seriously, like General Zinni, General Clark, Fritz Hollingworth, Senator Byrd, Seymore Hersh, Norman Finkelstein, James Blamford, the FBI and a large number of non zionist Jews who are alarmed that the zealots Zionist will destroy the lives that Jews have found in the US democracy.

We also know from formerly private papers now available at presidential libaries how many past US presidents felt about the zionist trying to get all they could out of the US and trying to use influence and deception to do it...so it isn't a new subject, just more compelling today because of the more dangerous situation in the mid east it has helped lead the US into.

Also you know you would have some creditability if you could be balanced in your statements...we all know of things Israel has done to harm US interest and we all know factual things some of our own US presidents and politicans have done to harm the interest of the people in our own country as well as other countries. We admit to our own lunatics and call them what they are. You on the other hand seem to have a problem dealing with the reality of Jews having their own nutcases and are either unwilling to admit or totally ignorant of Israel's past terrorist acts.

But I will make you a small bet...I bet that the zionist will push the envelope too far in the US and you will see a very public backlash. Sharon has enough sense to know that, it's in the wind and in the public sphere now, that's why he is asking your usual nutcases to back off a bit. However they are out of control and I don't think they will listen to him.

And this might disappoint you but the backlash will a political one and change the Israel favored US policy..not a holocaust type backlash with people running around hanging Jews...but I am guessing that won't stop you from crying anti-semite and saying it's because people hate all the Jews..will it? LOL

7/08/2005 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

BTW..I don't know how many read Univ of Mich. Juan Cole's www.informedcomment.com but he is pretty much "the" expert on the mid east and all it's history and twist and turns. He did an interview and linked to it today on his site and it is worth readng. He explains a great deal about the idealogy of the radical Muslims and it's origins and causes...so give it a read if you like. And for our troll Cole is convinced that the London bombing was most likely a ALQ doing...and I am willing to go by his expertise.

The last question he was asked was how to end the terrorism and his reply is pretty much my uninformed opinion too, except you also need to read his prior remarks about neo-colonism still affecting the mid east to understand the whole mindset of the radicals.


Here is link to the interview and his response to the terror question:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/170/story_17047_1.html

Q-Is there anything the West, or the Muslim world, can do to stop terrorism?

A- Yes. You resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict with a Palestinian state that the Palestinians are happy with. You end the U.S. presence in Iraq, and put efforts into properly rebuilding Afghanistan, which has not been done. If you did those three things, 90 percent of it would go away.

7/08/2005 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Hello..Troll...you still here? if so, here is a small but typical example of the political Jews I object to who are living in the United States. They are seeking to use new immigrants..what should be Americans...(since they immigrated to America I am assuming they are suppose to want to be Americans)...as a political tool for support of Israel.
Now it is pretty obvious to me and everyone else that these Jews with American citizenship are not loyal Americans or they would be supporting assimilating into Americanism and supporting America, not supporting a foreign country.

From the Dallas Star:

Jewish-Latino cooperation expanding across U.S.
04:52 PM CDT on Friday, July 8, 2005

By IRA RIFKIN

American Jewish leaders are paying increased attention to bolstering ties with their Latino political and religious counterparts. The effort is motivated by a concern that Jewish issues and support for Israel, not be overlooked as Latino political power increases in line with the nation's shifting demographics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now... I will be happy to debate the issue of whether some Jews are loyal to America or not. Or whether this type of activity is subversion of loyalty. But no cop outs allowed such as Israel and the US are one and the same instead of seperate nations or it is anti-semitic to expect Jews to be loyal to the country whose citizenship they enjoy.

My argument will be that Americans should concentrate on being American and supporting and holding to American values and immigrant citizens should assilimate as Americans. And that they should stick to the oath they took or will have to take to gain citizenship and a vote in our democracy which says:

Oath of Alligence to the United States of America

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature."

Now I will repeat what I said before if this isn't clear...it is obvious to me and others that some Jews are not loyal Americans, that they are using this country and the people in it for the purposes of supporting Israel not America.

So what say you? Do the zionist Jews in the US meet the test of the oath of alligence? I think any observer of their many activities would say not.

7/09/2005 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, the dual loyalty smear. It didn't take you long to bring that one up, did you?

And for you to talk about "balance" is laughable. Ditto for complaints about "anonymous trolls." Because as we all know, "r" is such a clear identifier of who you are. The moderator(s) of this site are so cowardly that they wont identify themselves, nor does any other participant. Oh yes, because us Zionists are just around the corner, waiting to sabotage your run for Congress.

7/09/2005 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

To r's list of public figures who have been willing to speak out against Israel's influence over the U.S., don't forget to add all the political observers from the rest of the world. There I think it's fair to say they represent the overwhelming majority; people ranging from Tony Blair to Nelson Mandela have all spoken out against the harmful effects of our pro-Zionist policy.

Domestically, sadly I have to agree with anonymous that criticism of our Israel-centric policy is still in the minority. But whether that is because it has failed in "the marketplace of ideas," or whether it has just never been given entry to the marketplace is another issue. There's no doubt that is on the rise--

http://www.forward.com/main/article.php?ref=200405271238

And I would imagine that there are a lot of U.S. congressmen who secretly fume at having to kowtow to the Israel lobby for all these years. The moment they sense they can criticize their masters and get away with it, there will be a dramatic landslide.

7/09/2005 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Will said...

'Anonymous' has no rebuttal save for witless sarcasm. He comes off as an extremely bitter individual. I would advise you not to waste your time replying, 'r', but I enjoy reading your posts too much. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.

7/09/2005 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

David and Will are right...anonymous will never engage or respond to the specific points..
I will go back to ignoring him and save us the space...LOL

7/09/2005 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Michael Ledeen (a full blown Zionist - Israel first - Jew who is also a JINSAN and works with Richard Perle at the American Enterprise Institute in D.C.)



ROVEGATE: Scandal merging with AIPACgate and Niger DocuGate cases



AIPAC/Franklin Spy Scandal Spreads to the Whitehouse

7/10/2005 03:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO MORE WAR FOR ISRAEL

7/10/2005 03:23:00 AM  
Anonymous r said...

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=15595&intcategoryid=3

July 6th interview with Franklin's lawyer in the Jewish Times.

In this interview Fanklin's attorney makes a statement that obviously the FBI was on to "something else" before Franklin wandered onto the scene..not news but...?
Then the writer of the article speculates that the FBI was investigating AIPAC because they had been told by the Bush Adm to "stop leaks"...but that doesn't make much sense to me...because if BushCo was concerned about "leaks" it would have been about leaks coming out of their own club...Unless they thought someone in their own administration was leaking to AIPAC..hummm???
Oh well...time will tell...we hope...we hope.

The news on the AIPAC investigation is scarce right now and the few articles that show up are mostly in the Jewish Press. I think the Franklin trial starts in September.

There are way too many investigations, from the DS Memos, Plamegate, the AIPAC investigation, the Yellowcake papers, John Bolton's intercepts at the State Department...for something not to come from all of this. Reminds me of the old joke that under all this shit there is bound to be a pony somewhere.

7/10/2005 10:46:00 AM  
Anonymous r said...

To anonymous...On your Ledeen link.

Ledeen is a piece of work isn't he?

Every time I see his name I think of his daughter Simone and the other AEI "children" who were hired as six figure salary staff in charge of the budget in Iraq...the budget that is now missing 9 Billion dollars..
I swear, everything about Iraq could be spelled US/Isr/Mafia, Inc.
If we want to know who was in charge of Iraq besides Rumfailed we have only to look at who was sent over, JINSA members, Dan Senor, second to Bremer, who was a former AIPAC staffer, an assortment of just graduated AEI children with no experience or qualifications...gawd, it boggles the mind!

7/10/2005 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous r said...

David...that is a good Forward link...I had not seen that article...

I do think they are right in that there is a crack in the dam now...
And I am noticing on various comment boards that the public is becoming more educated about the Palestine-Isr conflict.

Israel has only three themes, "we are victims", "the Arabs want to push us into the sea" and "every one who doesn't agree with us is anti-semitic"...however I think they have repeated these so much that they are bouncing off people's heads now.

7/10/2005 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

When Cacheris says he is representing Franklin for free because, "I felt for him," I am going to assume he is lying. (Although if there turns out to be evidence of him taking on a lot of cases for free, then I will revise this assumption.) According to the Goldberg New Yorker piece, it was Ledeen who hooked up Franklin with Cacheris, so I am going to assume it is Israel-lobby money which is paying for him.

So it seems probable that Cacheris's real role is to prevent Franklin from spilling too many unpleasant revelations about AIPAC. In other words, Franklin may be being set up. We shall see starting Sept. 6.


(BTW, in his 1500-word New Yorker piece Goldberg, who also wrote that pointless "impression" of Douglas Feith a while back, never even mentions that Franklin was only caught because of an already proceeding investigation of AIPAC. Geesh.)

7/10/2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

About the London bombings

Israel says:

Cabinet Minister Matan Vilnai said Western democracies, including Israel, are being targeted by terror. "We are part of it and the whole free world is "now" part of it," he said.
Cabinet Ministers on Sunday rejected British Prime Minister Tony Blair's contention that the Mideast conflict is one of the underlying causes of terror, saying the London bombings are part of a wider terror war being waged against Western countries.

Blair in London says:

In a weekend interview on BBC Radio, Blair said it was crucial to address terrorism's underlying causes, which he identified as deprivation, lack of democracy and the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

"I think this type of terrorism has very deep roots. As well as dealing with the consequences of this - trying to protect ourselves as much as any civil society can - you have to try to pull it up by its roots," Blair said, adding that this meant boosting understanding between people of different religions, helping people in the Middle East see a path to democracy and easing the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/597821.html

Huummm...I believe ALQ and/or Isr are gonna have to do something really really big to change the core belief in the reality based European camp that the West vr. Arabia needs to be settled by addressing the root problems instead of all out war.

7/10/2005 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger truthseeker said...

More war for Israel coming: Netanyahu warns West on Iran

7/10/2005 03:09:00 PM  
Blogger truthseeker said...


Everything you need to know about Michael Ledeen

7/10/2005 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

I wonder whether Gorilla is dead because he trusted a liberal zionist "friend."

His disappearance still puzzles me.

This is his time. He cannot be gone voluntarily or by pressure.

7/10/2005 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

It is odd that the original Gorilla never said good-by...but on the net one never really knows the motives or identity of someone unless they choose to reveal it.
And where is Brian lately?..in Europe still?
To have some input from an insider as the original Gorilla was said to be would be nice...But no matter...this blog is worth reading since many contribute snips of info that otherwise we might not see or would have to cruise many sources to gather.

If anyone is interested I ordered a book today.."The Question of Zion" by Jacqueline Rose, a Jewish professor in London. The unacademic like myself simply call the zealots "nutcases" ... according to the reviews, she gives the extreme side of zionism the clinical description of being a "collective neurious"..that attracts people so inclined.

I guess most of us know "nutcases" when we see or hear them whether it is the jewish zionist or the gentile evangelicals or the muslim radicals..but it will be interesting to see the actual mental sickness of these groups professionaly labeled.

It would be even more interesting to see an explaination of why someone in the world hasn't carted off these nitwits to some nice padded cells...the only explaination I can think of is the usual ..power and $$$ in politics...and average citizens not pitching a large enough fit to put a stop to all of it.

7/11/2005 02:10:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Now this is so frigging typical of what Israel does to keep the terrier war going.
What really insults the world's intelligence is that the Israelis think everyone is so stupid as to not see that while they give up "some" occupied land, they steal a even more important piece that is sure to piss off every Muslim in the world and guarentee more terrorist acts in response.
And of course since Israel has gone to great pains to make Isramerica one and the same we can expect the Arabs to blame the US and you know what?..they are right...we need some American firsters who will put the big foot of the USA squarely on the Israeli neck once and for all. And to add insult to injury while they are doing this they are asking US taxpayers for an additional 2 billion in aid to ease the pain of their "withdrawal".
So while our boys are dying in Iraq and civilians are dying in bombings, Israel is stealing more land and raking in US money and championing more war every time the radicals blow up something in response to the US/Isr/Uk occupation of arab lands. If this stands there will huge retalitation strikes by Palestines and Muslims everywhere...so fasten your seatbelts.

http://www.juancole.com/

Monday, July 11, 2005

Jerusalem and Terrorism

The Ariel Sharon government in Israel has announced that it will build a huge wall on someone else's land through Jerusalem, cutting off 55,000 Arabs from the city (they'll have to go through nasty Israeli checkpoints every day to get into their own city!)

This is land theft on a massive scale. Worse, it is theft on a stage of sacred space that affects the sentiments of over a billion people. Whether Westerners like it or not, Jerusalem is considered by Muslims their third holiest city, and Israeli theft of the whole thing drives a lot of them up the wall. A partitioned Jerusalem where the Arab east is connected to the West Bank is the only route to peace. Sharon in his usual aggressive, grabby way, is trying to make that forever an impossibility.

And, folks, this sort of thing, which the Washington Post didn't even notice, may very well get you and me killed. I think what Sharon is doing is morally and politically wrong to begin with. But I sure as hell resent the possibility that I or my family is going to get blown up because of it.

You want to know what causes terrorism? Well, in part it is caused by deviance, by people so warped that they will take innocent lives in a wicked quest to achieve some political or religious goal. In part, terrorists are like bank robbers. Bank robbers desperatedly want to be rich, but for one reason or another think they are very unlikely to get rich through their ordinary activities. Likewise, terrorists, break the law, both moral and civil, to get what they want. In that sense they are criminals, or, as I say, deviants. But they are not motiveless and do not act out of free-floating generalized hatred for the most part. They have a specific goal in mind.

Terrorism is also caused when one country militarily occupies another country. That is, it is the military occupation that provides a......(read the rest at the link)

7/11/2005 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Haw,haw,haw...is the tide turning?
CNN has a poll up at their news site that ask if the US should give funds to Israel for their pullout of Gaza.

http://www.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/18790.exclude.html

So far..96% says no
4% says yes

7/11/2005 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous joe said...

Maybe Netanyahu did London alone with some of his gang. He is no longer coordinating with headquarters. They said shut up and he talks and talks.

7/11/2005 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Joe said...

History says most terrorism is state-staged for political purposes. Usually to start a war. Ostrovsky (Mossad whistleblower) said a lot about how planted news would first point to Arabs, then a terror attack is staged by the Mossad, then Arab bodies are placed on the scene.

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0495/9504058.htm

7/11/2005 10:23:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

joe said...
Maybe Netanyahu did London alone with some of his gang. He is no longer coordinating with headquarters. They said shut up and he talks and talks.

LOL...I noticed that..I guess if anyone could smuggle military explosives into another country it would be someone like Netanyahu's group who doesn't have to undergo searches...

7/11/2005 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/598226.html

U.S. Jewish group touts Israeli citizenship for Diaspora Jews

By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

NEW YORK - An American umbrella organization of Jewish immigrants from Russia is spearheading an initiative that would allow Jews living in the Diaspora to be eligible for Israeli citizenship even if they remain overseas. The prerequisites: investing at least $1,000 in Israel and participating in a week of basic military training there.

The plan would restrict eligibility for citizenship to Diaspora Jews who show a triple commitment to Israel: financial investment, cultural investment and military training. Jews who want to become eligible for Israeli citizenship would have to invest at least $1,000 in the Israeli economy - whether by purchasing real estate, or by buying shares in Israeli companies or government bonds.

They would have to undergo basic military training in a special week-long course. According to the RAJI leaders, the training "would qualify the new citizens to bear arms on behalf of the State of Israel if a desperate need arises."
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All I can say to this and all the other crazy is we are living in historic times..The Rise and Fall of the USA..or From Melting Pot to Cess Pool in 200 Years...keep a diary for your children.

7/11/2005 11:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent smackdown of the New York Times neocon liars, Judith Miller and Thomas Friedman. Spam it.

http://tinyurl.com/cvwfz

7/12/2005 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We know of Miller's writings, and her connection with pro-Israel advocacy groups such as Daniel Pipes's Middle East Forum, her presence on the roster of Benador Associates pro-Likud speakers, her work with the fruitcake conspiracist Laurie Mylroie (famous for arguing that Saddam was responsible not only for 9/11, but for Oklahoma City). But does anyone know whether or not she is Jewish? She is married to the New York publisher Jason Epstein.

(I know this question is insensitive, but I am curious.)

http://www.gvnews.net/html/DailyNews/alert4324.html
"Judith Miller Not Neutral"
http://editorandpublisher.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&expire=&urlID=7762886&fb=Y&partnerID=60
"Miller's Star Fades"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1254072,00.html
"Laurie Mylroie"

7/12/2005 07:41:00 PM  
Blogger truthseeker said...

Plamegate: Nailing the JINSA/CSP/PNAC Israel first Neocon cabal out associated with Cheney's office

7/22/2005 03:22:00 AM  

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