Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Coast to Coast AM

I was just listening to Coast to Coast AM, which is a late night talk radio show that deals with everything from UFOs to physics. The show is pure entertainment and nothing that comes out of it should be taken seriously, although it does have reputable guests from time to time.

In this particular show the guest was John Weisman, who is billed as "CIA expert and best selling author," so the topic of Iraq was on the table.

There was a very interesting call about 30 minutes into the show. The caller nailed John W. with a question about the "Clean Break" paper, the OSP, Larry Franklin and the well worn path between Likud and the Pentagon. It was fanstastic. It was like he was a GIR reader!

John Weisman choked on his answer for twenty seconds before placing the blame on Chalabi.(?) Pretty Sad.

Kudos to that caller. Every little bit helps.

The audio for the show can be found here.


Anonymous Arminius said...

And here is what the invasion of Iraq was ultimately all about: an oil pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa.


Oh, there were other motives too:
- water from the Euphrates to Israel
- a new, "democratic" Iraq as a dumping ground for West Bank Palestinians...

6/14/2005 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian, can you get an XML or RSS feed for the site?

6/15/2005 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how the "moderator" of this site doesn't bother to mention that, in fact, the purported "Likudniks" in the pentagon are actually very angry at Israel for certain actions (largely relating to arms sales to China). Because that would shatter his theory about a "well worn path."

6/15/2005 03:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Arminius said...

Anonymous sweetheart,
Your argument would be worth something if we were ever to see something resulting from this anger. But will there be any result - will the US, for e.g., stop subsidizing Israel billions of $ every yr and stop extending it armaments-loans that never have to be repayed? Anger without results is BS, and all this anger over Israel's sales of arms to China is BS because in practice it will never mean anything at all. I wonder why?

6/15/2005 06:02:00 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

Can you provide instructions as to how to set up XML or RSS?

6/15/2005 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the "anger" has resulted in various sanctions, including suspension of cooperation between the countries on various military projects. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, but it is only noteworthy because the wanna be gorilla omits any information that does not satisfy his demonstrably false Jew hating narrative.

Meanwhile, here's another "gorilla in the room" which is a lot more dangerous to our country.

"An illegal immigrant from Lebanon was sentenced Tuesday to 4 1/2 years in prison for conspiring to raise money for the Islamic militant group Hezbollah, which the United States has designated a terrorist group."


6/15/2005 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suspension of cooperation on various military projects - you mean the US will not be attacking Syria and Iran "to secure Israel" as it did with Iraq? I pray to G-d you're right!
Of course if the US doesn't attack Syria and Iran it needn't be because it's angry with Israel over its sales of arms to China. It might just be that, with the current drop in enlistments, it doesn't have the means to do it.
By the way, I don't see many "Americans" with double national allegiance volunteering...

6/15/2005 08:35:00 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

Anonymous said:

the wanna be gorilla omits any information that does not satisfy his demonstrably false Jew hating narrative.

You loose credibility with "arguments" such as these. They say nothing.

The neocons are putting on a good show by slapping Israel on the wrist for selling arms to China. The whole thing started quite conveniently after Douglas Feith's strong ties to Likud were exposed and the Franklin spy scandal broke, so I am highly skeptical of the effort.

Even if the effort is sincere, however, it doesn't do anything to disprove the invasion of Iraq was set up by these the neocons at the pentagon. Friends can have disputes at any time.

If the neocons see Israel engaging in activities that will hurt them with the American military community they are going to tell them to stop, and if they may need to whack them in order to deliver the message.

Nothing exciting about that.

The neocons are their own actors. They act in ways that they think are in the interest of Israel. Most of the time their connections in Israel agree, but that doesn't have to be the case all the time.

6/15/2005 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The neocons are putting on a good show by slapping Israel on the wrist for selling arms to China. The whole thing started quite conveniently after Douglas Feith's strong ties to Likud were exposed and the Franklin spy scandal broke, so I am highly skeptical of the effort."

No my dear, the whole thing started quite conveniently when Israel agreed to retrovit miltary technology it had previously sold to China, as it was required to under the terms of the sale. Feith and Wolflowitz went batshit and demanded that Israel fire the officials responsible, and the strained relations have been problematic since.

Your claim that this is just a "diversion" demonstrates that you have come to a conclusion, and will pathetically twist evidence any way you can to make it fit. You are not fooling anyone.

6/15/2005 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

US arms sold to Israel, sold to China, resold to Iran.
Oh well, anything to make a Shekel.

6/15/2005 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Actually, the timing of the public spat does fit in nicely with the revelations of AIPAC spying (which first came out in Aug. 2004).

And don't forget, some in the government have also said we are "angry" with the continued settlement building. Fat lot of good that has got us.

6/15/2005 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Arminius: surely another reason that belongs on your list is having the U.S. embroiled in a perpetual war with the same people Israel is trying to dominate? I mean, it sure can't HURT the land-grab.

6/15/2005 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Arminius said...

Justin Raimondo on the Franklin case


6/15/2005 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feith and Wolflowitz went batshit and demanded that Israel fire the officials responsible, and the strained relations have been problematic since.

Oooooh, tough!

So we'll expect taxpayer handouts to Israel to end any minute now, will we?

6/15/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Arminius said...

Sharon insists on decisive action against Syria and Iran before any US withdrawl from Iraq.


6/15/2005 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess Sharon hasn't heard about the problematic strained relations, and how batshit peeved the Washington neocons are with Israel.


6/15/2005 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the subject of "false Jew hating narratives"--

First off, I am against them. But since there haven't been any, I have to think that what you're really objecting to is "jew-criticizing narratives." If that's the case, maybe you shouldn't be hanging around a site dedicated to discussing the harmful effects of a too-powerful Jewish lobby. Because I don't see how that discussion can proceed without criticizing at least some Jews.

If, however, someone wanted to prevent that discussion from proceeding, they couldn't do better than bring up the "anti-semitic" smear like you just did.

6/15/2005 11:43:00 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

Anon 11:43,

Thanks for the support.

Due to the extremely hostile nature of the people associated with this topic every word and phrase must be 100% acurate.

It is not the Jewish lobby we are discussing, it is the pro-Israel lobby.

I am sure that is what you meant, although I am also sure others will try to make a mountain out of it unless corrected.

6/15/2005 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anon 11:43 said...


Yes, your point is well taken.

The spectrum of lobbies hitting on our government extends from Israel itself, which like all governments, trys to bend U.S. policy to it's own interests, to organizations of U.S. citizens (both Jewish and Christian Zionist), who feel a special sympathy or interest in what happens in Israel.

(The interesting question is where in this spectrum to place AIPAC--agent of the Israeli government or representative of U.S. citizens. Highly worth discussing.)

6/15/2005 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous anon 11:43 said...

By coincidence, this was just posted over at War Without End


Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:00:11 -0700
From: "Jeff Blankfort"
Subject: [Fwd: INDEP. 23.1.04; 'Jewish lobby' is an anti-Semitic term, says US diplomat

That's how they describe it in the Israeli media, but in the US one must watch what they say. But, if in truth, the lobby is made up of all the major Jewish organizations, secular and religious and all of them lobby for Israel when it comes to aid and support for Israeli government policies, is it not really a more accurate term than pro-Israel lobby (which also includes Christian evangelicals), even if it does not represent those Jews are not affiliated with those organizations or who are in smaller ones that are less representative of the community at large? There never seems to be a problem when people talk about "Jewish support for the civil rights movement" when the majority of Jews and Jewish organizations were not active in at all, or "Jewish traditions of social justice" when, those too, represented only the more enlightened and humane sections of the community? Are the Jewish supporters of Israel and their non-Jewish lackeys to be allowed to control our language?

This is what he was responding to--

"'Jewish Lobby' is an Anti-Semitic Term, Says US Diplomat"

I agree with him, although I also understand Brian's wishes to remain "above suspicion."

(Blankfort, by the way, has been actively campaigning on social issues since before most of the readers of this blog were born.)

6/15/2005 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous David said...

The link above to the Independent article doesn't work. Go to the War Without End forum to see it. (It's well worth reading.)

6/15/2005 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous r said...

Some thoughts On Israel Arm Sales....

When Isr pisses off the US$$$ Arms Industrial complex and the Pentagon they will be basically done for. Israel is like a coked up monkey right now, thinking it is a gorilla and can take on the US by building/switching alliences to China or whoever they think is the next super power in the region.

Actually I hope they continue with this delsuion. If they push hard enough alliences can switch very quickly and we could find ourselves back in league with "old" Europe in establishing a more sane mid east policy. Russia is the wild card of the bunch, sitting and waiting to see how long until all this blows up in the US and Isr faces.

On the pipeline to Hafia....that will be money down the toliet..unless the US is also going to post US troops along every mile of it to prevent resentful Arabs from blowing holes in it every week.

And to the guy who keeps accusing everyone of being "jews haters."
We are talking about a foreign country here, not "the Jews". I hope you notice we have critized all our Israeli centric gentile politicans just as much as the jews in this administration. All you are doing with that talk is giving the true anti semites ammunition.
And on Feith...prior to his appointment to the pentagon he (his law firm) represented Israel in their arm purchases from the US.
It stands to reason his Israeli ties and his leaving his job and the fact that the FBI investigation started long before Franklin came into the picture could all very well be related.
Naturally Feith would "feign" anger..he wouldn't want to be accused of dual loyalty or no loyalty would he? After all being able to further his agenda depends on having the right position in the adm to do it through. I think the fact that he is the ONLY one to lose his job in this half assed pentagon tells you all you need to know.

6/15/2005 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Published details about the indictment unsealed yesterday against Franklin show that the FBI busted up a plot by an Israeli intelligence officer and two AIPAC lobbyists to advance the career of Franklin, get him "by the elbow of the President", and to plant information provided by Mossad in Pentagon documents about Iran.


via What Really Happened

6/15/2005 09:30:00 PM  

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