Were the Alabama Arsonists Jewish?
This is a little off topic for this blog, but I have received a few e-mails telling me that the Alabama arsonists were all Jewish.
The names of the three arsonists are:
The names are not obviously Jewish to me, but they are not obviously anything else either. Benjamin and Matthew are typical Jewish first names tho.
While this topic doesn't have to do with Israel, US support of Israel or the Iraq war, if true, it is remarkable in that I have not heard one word about it in the media, and I read a lot of news media.
Clearly, if these men were Jewish the issue of hate crimes would come to the forefront. One can only imagine the press coverage of this incident if the perpetrators were Muslim.
I would be interested in any information that would confirm or refute this allegation.
UPDATE:
I have been sent these three links that seem to show the names are Jewish. This is not definitive, but it does support the claim.
Jewish Surname List (Search for DEBUSK).
Avotaynu (Search for MOSLEY).
JeishGen (Search for CLOYD).
It is highly unlikely that none of the men are Jewish given that all three show up on Jewish surname registers.
UPDATE2:
Someone sent me additional information that further supports the claim that the Alabama arsonists were committing a hate crime targeted soley at Baptist churches. This is information that can be easily confirmed or refuted as it just provides a list of times and locations.
If true, this clearly shows the effort was a hate crime. The pace at which five churches were burned in a single night suggests a planned effort. You would be hard pressed to randomly find these churches so quicky on a prank. And the fact that they skipped several non-Baptist churches during the course of this rampage strongly points to an attack targeted at Baptists.
If anyone can verify this information please drop me an e-mail.
The names of the three arsonists are:
Matthew Lee Cloyd
Russell Lee DeBusk Jr
Benjamin Nathan Moseley
The names are not obviously Jewish to me, but they are not obviously anything else either. Benjamin and Matthew are typical Jewish first names tho.
While this topic doesn't have to do with Israel, US support of Israel or the Iraq war, if true, it is remarkable in that I have not heard one word about it in the media, and I read a lot of news media.
Clearly, if these men were Jewish the issue of hate crimes would come to the forefront. One can only imagine the press coverage of this incident if the perpetrators were Muslim.
I would be interested in any information that would confirm or refute this allegation.
UPDATE:
I have been sent these three links that seem to show the names are Jewish. This is not definitive, but it does support the claim.
Jewish Surname List (Search for DEBUSK).
Avotaynu (Search for MOSLEY).
JeishGen (Search for CLOYD).
It is highly unlikely that none of the men are Jewish given that all three show up on Jewish surname registers.
UPDATE2:
Someone sent me additional information that further supports the claim that the Alabama arsonists were committing a hate crime targeted soley at Baptist churches. This is information that can be easily confirmed or refuted as it just provides a list of times and locations.
On February 3, 2006, at approximately 1.53 a.m., a fire was reported at the Rehobeth Baptist Church located at 11 262 Deer Creek Road, Lawley, Alabama. (Centreville)
90 minutes later, at approximately 3:21 a.m., a fire was reported at the Ashby Baptist Church located at 11 1 Lilys Way, Brierfield, Alabama. (Centreville)
About 50 minutes later, at approximately 4:12 a.m., a fire was reported at the Old Union Baptist Church located at 1094 Oakley Station Road, Randolph, Alabama. (Centreville)
Four minutes later, at approximately 4:16 a.m., a fire was reported at the Pleasant Sabine Baptist Church located at 397 Church Lane, Centreville, Alabama.
About 25 minutes later, at approximately 4:42 a.m., a fire was discovered at the Antioch Baptist Church located at 185 Church Lane, Centreville, Alabama.
In a three hour period, five churches were set ablaze. What's most interesting is the fact that the arsonists bypassed all non-Baptist churches in and around Centreville. Including two churches located on the same road as the ones torched.
The arsonists hit the Antioch Baptist Church on Highway 25 in Centreville, but bypassed the Centreville Church of Christ, just down the street. They also bypassed the Assembly of God Worship Center, the Centreville First Presbyterian Church, the Centreville United Methodist Church, the Freewill Apostolic Holiness Church, the Deliverance Temple Holiness Church, the First United Pentacostal Church, the Pleasant Hill Cumberland Presbyterian Church, the Purity Holiness Church of Centreville, and the Trinity Spirit Holiness Church. All located in the same general vicinty.
If true, this clearly shows the effort was a hate crime. The pace at which five churches were burned in a single night suggests a planned effort. You would be hard pressed to randomly find these churches so quicky on a prank. And the fact that they skipped several non-Baptist churches during the course of this rampage strongly points to an attack targeted at Baptists.
If anyone can verify this information please drop me an e-mail.
posted by Brian at 10:10 AM
16 Comments:
But you're not antisemitic, you're just antizionist.
So it is anti-Semitic to be concerned about hate crimes?
One can only imagine the response, the hand-wringing, the national reflection, the calls for "education" and a tougher stance on hate speech etc., if it had been ten synagogues and Christian boys playing “pranks.”
It would be on the cover of Time, Newsweek and all the other magazines. We would be talking about it for weeks, if not months. They would blame the criticism of Israel and all sorts of other “causes” for the tragedy. Books would be published.
The reality of the response would exceed any description I can conger up.
From Mary:
[Link Deleted - Not a trustworthy site]
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1704058
MSM is selling the fires as a joke...a prank...
If this is a prank, we are all in real danger.... We need to know, who planned this arson and why???
Clearly, if the shoe was on the other foot there would be national outrage.
"national outrage"?
Indeed. As Ed said, the airwaves would be clogged with pundit discussions on the "new antisemitism", we'd have president Bush specially addressing the American people, maybe Bill Moyers would host a 1-hour specials on PBS, Abe Foxmann would definitely be floating the idea of "reparations", and--most importantly--we would be told over and over that it's all the result of ever having allowed any criticism of Israel into our public discourse. (Naughty, naughty.)
When asked for further comment, Abbas said simply: David Lee Roth should have never left Van Halen.
Heh. That is actually pretty funny.
Here is the criminal complaint against the three:
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/arson/uscloyd30806cmp.html
If these clowns are Jewish then I doubt that the mainstream media will inform us of that fact - for obvious reasons.
Some of your info is wrong on the location of the churches burned. None were "in Centreville". All were along the same small country lanes. Antioch Baptist and Pleasant Sabine are a stones throw from each other, miles out in the county. Rehobeth Church road is a left and right through the woods from these two churches. Ashby and Old Union are easily reached zigzagging through the woods.
Thanks for the info.
I think you basically confirm that the selection of Baptist churches could not have been random, although the churches may not hav ebeen in centerville proper.
Here is a link to Cloyd's father (Dr. Cloyd). He practices at St. Vincent's Hospital in Alabama..
SVH
I've read around about this and the skinny seems to be that at least two of them -- Cloyd and Mosely were raised as Christians. In USA Today, Debusk is described by a friend as having "not been raised as a Christian" and for half-assedly dabbling in Satanism.
I think there may be more to this than just drunken hijinx, but I don't think Jewishness had anything to do with it and I don't think it's a good idea to go leaping to conclusions.
Baptists Being Punished?
The ADL denied any link between the ongoing argument between Jews and Baptists. Oddly the ADL, and SPLC, have nothing to says on the fires.
Google, Yahoo news, show zero from the ADL and SPLC.
None of the boys who burned the churches were Jewish. 2 were Methodist and the other has no religous affilitation.
You are what happens when people make up stories.
Hi. I'm Jake Richey, and I graduated from Clay-Chalkville High School with Benjamin Moseley. Firstly, Ben was not and is not Jewish. He and I were quite good friends in school. He was a bit of a class clown, but it was nice having a little bit of a prankster to keep things interesting. He was President of Student Government, and Vice President of the National Honor Society our senior year. He was constantly running around trying to make things a little easier and more enjoyable for everyone, students and faculty alike. Maybe once he went to college he realized that the world was a lot bigger...and he wasn't sure how to make his mark...
Please do not misunderstand. I am not by any means condoning the actions of those three men. Yes, they are to blame for what happened they did, but what was it that drove them to such madness? They wrote it off as kids playing pranks...There was no involvement from a role model once Ben went to college...He played guitar and did theater to keep himself occupied because if Ben wasn't making someone laugh, then he wasn't important enough...I can say this from experience because it is a trait that he and I share...No I am not going to set fire to 9 churches, but I am saying that these men know what they have done is wrong...please do not go making this into something bigger than it really is...
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